It's a pirate/navy joke. A water bed referring to the "ocean" in so-so's mind. They're in a navy uniform and acting like they're out at sea. "Land lubber" is land Lover. Since they're on a waterbed, they're not on land.
It was okay at first, but this stuff's been on the front page for three days straight now and as time's gone on there's less support for reasonable people and more replies like you got. I think people are just getting tired of trying to make them see sense, ha ha.
Perhaps they're more enlightened and we're just old. Maybe stealing old quotes and putting them in Photoshop is the next art paradigm shift.
Excuse me, but I actually cannot control if these get to the front page or not. If it were up to me, I would not have them on the front page. I know of so many more that could be there instead of mine, but like I said, it's not up to me. Also, I've added several disclaimers about the quotes and that they're all over the internet already. However, please don't go around supporting comments that don't offer anything except bile. There was no constructive feed back in that, there was nothing to gain from posting it, and I'm sure the only effect the writer wanted was to make somebody sad or angry. And the people defending me against this person's spite are simply that defending ME. A lot of these guys are watcher that have been following me and conversing with me for quite a while. They know (or at least somewhat know) what type of person I am and that I don't warrant that kind of gross lash out. Also, this person decided to leave me another message on an old journal that had started my "Ask Nox" series, simply asking "Why are you such a faggot?" Would you support that as well? And as for zarhx describing herself as "ONE negative commenter", that's more than negative that's being a jerk. As for her complaining about being "harassed for days on end", it's 1. her fault for posting something so dumb and 2. she's not exactly an angel herself if she couldn't think that it's wrong to post more than one ugly comment to me. Sorry for such a long reply. I know you're not the one being rude, but I didn't want you to hear only one side of the story.
First, I'll say that any other DA veterans should feel free to jump in and correct me if they feel I'm wrong about anything. This is just what I've picked up over the last decade or so I've been here and is based only on my own meandering experience, not representative of anyone else who's been here longer than I.
I appreciate your concerns, but to be honest I've already seen this sort of thing happen dozens of times in the years I've been using the site, as have most of the others commenting in the same vein as I am. I have agreed with the detractors based on their principle, rather than their literal content. So, rather than argue over the literal comment, I will try to break down the principles of the thing for you as clearly and politely as I can.
You made something easily digestible, it went over well so you kept making them, you gained followers. That's fine, that's good marketing. It's like stuffing your gallery full of fanart to attract people, hoping they'll stay and look at your other work.
Then, as with anything that gets any popularity, you encountered criticism. Generally this can be categorized into constructive criticism and hate mail, but since there was no art or technique to criticize you mostly got flames from people like me. This is where the split occurs.
Some artists use this new exposure to learn and improve their work by incorporating all types of opinions, because literally every opinion serves a purpose. Really, even the "trolls", as people are fond of inaccurately calling negative comments these days serve a purpose if you care enough to find one. Feedback teaches you the nature of your audience and ensures that you look at your work from absolutely every angle. If you get a lot of people complaining about the same thing, even inarticulately, you have to try and figure out where they're coming from. It'll make your work better, more accessible to everyone, and next time they'll have less to bitch about.
The other kind of artist believes in "haters", which is the most poisonous attitude an artist can have. Any belief that allows you to completely disregard comments you don't like is bad for your growth and your ego. Assuming people who disagree with you just have a problem, or are just jealous, or couldn't possibly have a real point to make, means you get to pick and choose what sort of feedback you internalize. You can't do this. Art is hard and painful; it's easier to just make a journal and sic your easily manipulated fanbase on someone rather than considering what they have to say and gleaning some kind of knowledge from it.
Without fail, artists who find themselves becoming popular encounter this choice, and only one side ever profits. If we look at accounts who subscribe to the latter, such as *SonicRocksMySocks or *wazzy88, there's one thing that's immediately obvious: they have been doing the exact same thing for a long time. They haven't grown at all as artists because they choose to only listen to people who tell them they're fine like they are, then when they encounter someone who says otherwise they either get depressed for days and ask their fanbase to cheer them up by reassuring them otherwise, or if the comment is mean spirited they get their fanbase to take care of it.
People don't like to hear it, but once you get on the internet, you lose the ability to demand everyone be kind. Especially when it comes to art. All you can do is be kind yourself until otherwise proves necessary and be mature about the feedback you get. Like I said, people are going to disagree, and the simple fact is DA is full of really stupid people who either don't know how to be nice or are too dumb to express themselves with anything but insults. You're going to get more dumb comments like this as time goes on, and making journals sending your 12-year old fanbase to attack them is not the way to handle it. Again, you have to realize who your audience is. A lot of them subscribe to this hater mentality and think they're doing a service by "defending" you from the mean evil dudes. They're the same types who'll kiss your ass because you're popular on an art website and that means something to them. You've got a lot of people following you, just by virtue of the kind of things you post a lot of them are younger and more eager to please. This means being careful what you post about others. Great power and great responsibility and all that.
So you've clearly already come to the part where you have to make a choice. You can either develop a thick skin, find something positive to take away from all your encounters, and work hard to make better art. Or, you can assume everyone who disagrees has an entirely unfounded opinion and continue doing the same exact thing you're already doing. You'll keep getting pageviews and people will keep kissing your ass, but in return your artistic growth will cease. Decide which is more important to you.
Aside from that attempt to keep you from ending up on Encyclopedia Dramatica, I really don't have anything constructive to add to this corner of the internet. As I said to the guy (and by following my own advice), maybe I've just been around too long and I'm missing something. It's entirely possible these little copy paste things that keep cropping up are where the site is headed now and the rest of us should just find another place to post art. But, what can you do. Things change.
No. I have taken into consideration much of what people, who have actually given accurate criticisms, have said. For example, when I first started this series, my deviations were purely the text on the blank background with the little logo. Since then, I have began incorporating images that I have altered and changed in some ways(always giving credit to the original image though). I do take constructive criticisms and have been trying to increase the grade of my work. I don't think you would really care to, but if you search through my series' comments, you can see how even the way I've responded to flamers has changed. At first, I really did get pissed and complain and lash out back at them. However, I learned from those experiences and I understand now what they were trying to say. Because of the first two or three, my series evolved. I do think that because of that "evolution", I have greatly avoided a lot of hate from people who don't think I put any effort whatsoever into these posts. However, the comment that that person posted was not constructive at all, I would have easily accepted their opinion if they actually gave feed back on what could help me improve, but if you reread what they said, it was all empty words. If they told me WHY they thought those things, sure, but they didn't. I've had people angry at me (or maybe not angry and maybe not at me) that my deviations have made the front page. They don't think they belong there, and you know what? I don't either. If I could, I wouldn't let them be on the front page when so many others deserve the attention, and I let them know that I agree very politely. I am pretty polite when I respond. Or at least I try to be. I also responded to that commenter's post as politely as I could, which was a pretty good feat for how peeved I was at it. And I know it's just going to come with the popularity and such. But on another note, when I first created the series, I had no idea that it would gain such a big following. I don't do it for the favs or the watchers or anything like that. In fact, I get tired of my inbox filling up with somebody who's going through and faving every single one of the editions to my series. I HONESTLY love to hear from somebody telling me that it just made their day. Just recently I had someone comment that they were sick and it's been a really hard day for them and they still cracked up at the post and it seriously makes me feel wonderful to know that I can do that for someone. And I know the other side to that: the people who don't believe that these belong on dA at all. And as much as I'd like to appease them, I'm not going to stop posting because they don't like it. Though I do try to add to the series so it's not just text on a background. I'm trying to come up with ways for it to be more acceptable on dA. As well, I've had those who say that a certain edition to my series is too bothersome to the ones outside the joke. So to comply with them, I've added warnings in the author's comments for what people should look out for and keep in mind. Another thing was that people comment on the originality of my series saying that the tricks are old and unoriginal; I politely inform them that I've put up several disclaimers and never said that the words themselves were my own, though I do edit and change wording and other stuff. Some of the series is completely my own idea, some inspired, and some straight from the net. I just let them know. So if you're wondering what I'm going to do at that turning point, I had already made my choice to accept criticisms and try to better myself and my series. At first, I got a thick skin about it, but rather quickly, I got over that. And I didn't set my "12-year-old" fanbase on anybody. However, I did post that journal about the incident, though I did not put a name or where to find the commenter. I'm not going to involve others in my personal fights/arguments/debates. I'm much more mature than you give me credit for. I know I'm not going to have ONLY kind comments, but I'd at least be able to persuade the people who are giving pure bile to calm themselves and behave like adults. And I can clearly see that you don't like the posts on dA either, but like I said, I'm trying to evolve them and anything I can do. I don't want people on here to feel they have to leave the site because the "art" isn't artsy enough for them. Please don't think I'm hopeless and only posting these things for popularity. I'd like constructive criticism. In fact, I'd love for YOU to tell me right now what you think I should do to improve the series and keep myself from getting haters, or people that don't think the series is artsy enough, or even constructive criticism on how I should respond to people and haters and flamers. And thank you for not being offensive towards me.
To improve the series? In its current form, I'd say trash it and start over. Taking already fully formed ideas and not changing them isn't going to help you grow.
However, if you really feel like this insanity shtick is a thing you want to stick with, try making some kind of art out of it. Like, instead of just saying "go do this it will be funny", try drawing out a comic about the quote or illustrating the scene. Most of the problems people have with this stuff isn't the quality or type of art, as I see a lot of people trying to defend it with. Typography, photomanipulation, and literature are all valid art forms. The problem in this case is everything is a premade resource (quotes the person didn't make up, images they didn't draw, fonts they didn't create) that is then cobbled together. I know I already mentioned him, but that pokeball guy wouldn't be half as bad if he actually drew anything he puts up here. It would still be annoying, but it bothers me that he uses things other people created to get attention. If you wanted to keep the original idea (the external jokes, in this context), just at the very least put your own spin on it. Eventually you'd be able to come up with your own scenarios and you won't have to deal with any of this bullshit.
This sort of thing is a good example. Funny stories. If I just took this quote from another source and put it on here, that would be lame. But if I drew a comic about it, adding my own creative ideas and putting more work into it, then I'd automatically get more respect from other artists just for actually creating something. Even if it's shit, ha ha.
If learning to draw is too much work, even this is a better alternative. It might look like he's just taking pictures, but the content is entirely artist-generated and he makes each comic reflectthesubject. It's basically the same thing we have here, it's just a picture with some writing. The difference is, he had the original idea, he figured out a pleasing way to represent it, then he executed it accordingly.
I can also say from personal experience that it's absolutely fantastic hearing your work made someone's day. If these little bits of text make people happy, imagine what full visuals would do. If you're really out to make people happy with your art, showing you care enough to put your own thoughts and creativity into the work you choose to share are the best way to do it. Putting up original art is a display of trust and fundamentally an attempt to relate to others. Adding a human element to things can really help get your message across and help you connect with your audience.
Certainly. Just because I don't like the art doesn't mean I automatically hate the person. Artists and their work should always be kept separate until the person proves themselves to be a complete douchenozzle, which you have not so far.
Says the person who shamelessly swears (a common habit for most young people who find it cool) and then quotes Linkin Park in their signature without crediting the band for the quote in an effort to make yourself look philosophical? Gimme a break, kid. You're the twelve-year-old here. Hell, you're probably doing this for pageviews, to see how many people will say "GASP OMGGGGG THIS GURL HAS GUTZZZ WE SHOULD TOTALLY LIKE LOOK AT HER ART AND STUFF CUZ IT MUST BE SO MUCH BETTER THAT WHAT SHE'S INSULTINGGGGGG"
You aren't funny right now. You aren't clever right now. You don't even have a decent vocabulary for your insults. And that certainly wasn't talented of you. So why are you here?
Is dA being soiled by trolls who beg for attention? Probably.
Best regards, Someone Who Isn't a Stranger to the Internet
Well it's not an unpardonable sin, you know Not like I know every quote and its author... Not that important anyway. But there is a dormant troll / grammar-nazi / know-it-all in all of us I suppose, even in me!
I didn't even mention my own art, because frankly, my art isn't good. But I'm not jumping on the fucking bandwagon and making typographies (if you can even call them that) to get favorites. dA is being soiled by people who think it's facebook. It's not.
As for why I'm here, I'm here to see art, get inspired, use references, etc. But I don't post anything anymore because my depression sets me back to where I don't believe anything I do is worth shit.
You pointed out that I curse a lot, but say you're no stranger to the internet. Look, either you waste your energy attempting to win against every person who curses and insults or you get over it. I imagine you must be exhausted.
(Then I apologize for assuming.) Even so, however, typographies are allowed on deviantART. They are a form of art, whether you respect them as such or not. (To be honest, I'm not the biggest fan of them either. However, I don't insult them, because someone took the time to create them.) And if people do it just for watches and it works, then guess what? There's people out there that like them. Just because you don't think it's art doesn't mean that it's "soiling dA". That's not your call. If you don't like it, don't look.
Well, I'm not going to break down in tears because I suddenly burst your bubble. If you have depression, then I won't argue and say that you don't. I've heard it's a miserable thing to have. But guess what? Just because you have depression doesn't mean you should be putting other people down. And in all honestly, I'm here to do the same thing as you. Enjoy art, make friends, all that lovely stuff. But I know for a fact that my art is crap too. Still, I don't make an excuse to not post it, because there are people who enjoy all types of art. Even crappy Pokemon fanfics like mine, and pictures like yours. And typographies like the one you're complaining about right now. It's all art, and this is what deviantART is for.
I'm merely pointing out that it's a poor way to show your opinion. Seeing as I'm no stranger to the Internet, I feel obliged to point out that one of the first things that makes a troll a troll is their excessive cursing. And I'm sorry, I "waste my time attempting to win against every person who curses or insults me"? No. I'm only offering an opinion, and what you assume I do is only another opinion of your own. You just assumed that I'm a shallow person. And though I disagree, I won't push the argument. Because one of us has to be compromising for this to be worthwhile. Otherwise we're just spinning our wheels, and getting nowhere.
That's wonderfully entertaining. Sarcasm is a hobby of mine, so I'm glad others are interested in the art ^^ I haven't, actually. I just thought the fluid movement was beautiful. The face, on the other hand...nightmares.
Well, Kaitlyn, I'm sorry you don't like it, but you have to realize that this comment of yours was very immature. Now please be more respectful in the future. I don't know how old you are, but you sound like a child.